pan_andriy (pan_andriy) wrote,
pan_andriy
pan_andriy

learn russian

Помилка

Такого запису не існує.
http://community.livejournal.com/learn_russian/499424.html

А щойно існував. Проте те воно й "автономний режим", щоб відновити.


archaicos
2006-11-10 02:38:00

The roots of Russian
I have perhaps a rather odd question. I guess this question is addressed to those who know Russain not as what it is, but also what it was and was not.
Recently, I've come across a few intriguing articles on the internet:
Нерусский русский язык
Белорусское государство Великое княжество Литовское
The gist of it is that Russian wasn't the language spoken in what had become Russia, there used to be other non-Slavic languages spoken (e.g. Finnish and alike), but over the time that all evolved into Russian. However, as the article(s) state, that was not without a help. Russian was based on Bulgarian used in church and since then has changed a lot...



edricson
As for Russian being somehow based on Bulgarian, ignore this, or get a good history of the Russian language :). This is a common exaggeration, usually politically motivated.

platonicus
The conception of Russian as "Bulgarian-Finnish esperanto" is entirely bullshit, used by Ukrainian and Bielorussian nationalist propaganda.

jelounov
I read the articles you mention, and laughed a lot.
This information is nonsense. Unfortunately such historical sci-fi is very popular in Russia and around it.
I'd advise you not to pay attention to these.
Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian languages are the branches of medieval East-Slavonic language. All of them have differences, which are appeared to be mostly - loanings from European languages. They are not very different, people of these languages can understand each other without enterpreter.

khathi
That's not a historical fiction, in fact. ^_^ It's propaganda. First article was obviously written by some Ukrainian nationalist, and these people are notorious for strongarming the history to their need. 

jelounov
The articles are stupid.
I am Russian, lived almost all my life in Moscow, and I have no problems in understanding Ukrainian. It took me a few days to learn those words and grammatic constructions (mostly Polish) that make difference between Russian and Ukrainian.

kappa_aka_lex  
Russian is NOT based on bulgarian.

pan_andriyPlease ignore you read before and just compare below attached russian and bulgarian words:

Russian  Bulgarian

размер размер
размышление размисъл
размышлять размислям
разногласие разногласие
разнообразие разнообразие
....
дарить подарявам
дата дата
дать дам
дважды  дваж
двигатель двигател
двигать движа
двигаться движа се
движение движение
двое двама
двоеточие двоеточие
двойка двойка
двойной двоен
двор двор
.....
обследовать обследвам
обслуживание обслужване
обстоятельство обстоятелство
обсудить обсъдя
обсуждать обсъждам
обсуждение обсъждане
обувь обувки
детская обувь детски обувки
мужская обувь мъжки обувки
обучать обучавам
обучаться обучавам се
обучение обучаване
обучить обуча
обхватывать обхващам
общежитие общежитие
общий общ
общительный общителен
объективный обективен 
объем обем
объявить обявя
объявление обявление
доска объявлений дъска за обявления
объяснить обясня
объяснять обяснявам
обыкновенный обикновен
обычай обичай
обычный  обичаен
обязательно обезателно
обязательный обезателен
http://bgru.net/intr/dictionary/dict_r.htm

Russian language is not a language of russian peasants, like uknainian one. Russia  use artificial language based of bulgarian lexicon and ukrainian grammar, because "russian" language until 18-th century has been developed far from Muscovia:
http://litopys.org.ua/links/inlex.htm

Russian people has lost their traditional dialects, because they never had grammar. Actually "russian" culture is continuing culture  of middleage Ukraine. At the beginning of 18-th century the ukrainization of Moscovia happend. Russian Empire is a result of this.  Traditional culture of Muscovy died. Look historical reseaching for details:
http://www.hrono.ru/statii/ukraina.html

"Russians" have no ethnic roots. To be russian means to be nobody.  Just speek russian, divide russian imperial myth  and forget about your origin. Everyone can be russian. This is a secret of succes of russian idea and this is a biggest russian mistery as well.

The canonical Moscow way of speeking has finno-ugric sourse:

бестселлер [б'ис:`ел:'ьр]
постскриптум [пас:кр'`иптум]
петербургский [п'ьт'ирб`урск'ьj]
оскский [`ос:к'ьj]
депонентский [д'ьпан'`енцск'ьj]
визжание - [в'иж:`ан'ьь]
пятнадцатилетие [п'ьтнъцът'ил'`ет'ьь]
бедствие - [б'`ецтв'ьь]
от целевых [ац:ъл'ив`ых]
от церкви [ац:`еркв'ь]
подцензурный [пъц:ынз`урнъj]
над цветущем [нъц:в'ит`уш':ьм]
отщебетать [ач'ш':ьб'ит`ат']
ревизские [р'ив'`ис:к'ьь]
http://www.philol.msu.ru/rus/galya-1/index1.htm


На що мені люб'язно порадили з Німеччини:

colonelrabin  ("Ленивый, старый и больной...п-к Рабинович")
Please consult your psychiatryst before posting again.


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